24 - Yaya Toure

Postby Carles Puyol » Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:57 pm

Bardh wrote:There is one problem with Toure though (I just remembered). We would miss him in January when he travels with Eto'o to the African Cup and considering he's the key DM, it would make things bad.


That's right.

But we played 2 seasons with Edmilson and Motta. why can't we play with them for just 1 month? :wink:.

Yaya Toure is the best option for us in DMF after Essien. He is perfect. GREAT stamina, great speed and strenght, can shoot soo good. a great passer. Good defending. agressive. doesn't lose the ball easily.
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Postby Dino » Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:58 pm

I think that our Greek member was right about him though. No good as a DM. And he doesnt even play as DM!
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Postby Carles Puyol » Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:46 pm

Dino wrote:I think that our Greek member was right about him though. No good as a DM. And he doesnt even play as DM!


He is not really a DMF. But i have seen him many times with Monaco in that position.

He plays every where. Just like Iniesta. CMF, AMF, DMF, WINGER :P


But he is originally a CMF. yeah.

I can't see why he can't play DMF with us. Big, Strong, Good passer, great intercepter.
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Postby Dino » Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:21 pm

1. Because we play with a sole DM.
2. He likes to go forward. But obligatory play is essential for DM.
3. I opt to trust a man who saw him play every week
4. If he is tall and black that doesnt mean he is a DM by default- ok, maybe only Txiki thinks that :D

Some older members will remember 2 years ago and Van Bommel case... How many people trusted me here about him not being DM. And just because of his phyique...
Dino wrote:I repetetively find people thinking Van Bommel is defensive midfielder.
Ok, we have too many weak,lack of physical presence players in our midfield and overall, so when we got ourselves one stonger and taller player we instantly put him in defence roles. Just remember Motta. When he started out he used to be an attacking midfielder. But as we always had too many of those he had to settle with DM.


This is very similar case. I was right then and I`m pretty sure I am right now.
Don`t get me wrong, Yaya Toure is great. But we would need to change our system to fit him in.
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Postby barca4ever3 » Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:20 pm

Yeah i agree with Dino.
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Postby coussie » Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:39 pm

i don't. although he hasn't played on that spot all the time, he has shown potential to do so.
De Rossi would give you the exact same problem. He too loves to go forward time by time.
There are just too few players who fit that profile (that you want) perfectly, who are ready to play for Barca, and who are still available.

You always can try to adapt players to you're system. Look at Ronalinho: Rijkaard pulled him to the left side, and killing he is. Look at Deco: a perfect AM for Porto, now an all-fielder (defensive as well as offensive). I'm not saying that will always work, but i think you close too many options by just telling that he doesn't 'perfectly' fit the profile.
I have faith in Rijkaard that he knows which guy he wants for the DM. If he thinks he can mold Touré in our perfect DM, then i believe him, and Tixki should get him.
If Rijkaard says no, then go look for somebody else.
I have faith in the football-'eye' Rijkaard has. A football-'eye' that is way more developed then mine at least, i'm sure.
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Postby barca4ever3 » Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:41 pm

I doubt whether Rijkaard would have a big say in it.
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Postby coussie » Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:12 am

barca4ever3 wrote:I doubt whether Rijkaard would have a big say in it.

if he stays, he is supposed to have a 50% word in it...
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Postby eldiablo1899 » Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:17 am

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Postby *** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:14 am

Just watched a Monaco game. He's a decent player and should fit Barca's profile (very good passer in the Xavi-sense; very 'efficient' with his use of the ball) but he seems more of a box-to-box midfielder. At the moment, I don't think he's disciplined enough to play as a DM.
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Postby EL KUN IS GOD » Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:55 am

Yaya Touré sería feliz si ficha por el Barcelona
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Yaya Touré figura en casi todas las listas de refuerzos del Barcelona para la próxima temporada y lo cierto es que el marfileño parece contento con el interés, según las palabras de su representante, Dimitri Seluk. El agente del jugador declaró a Ona FM que el mediocentro del Mónaco sería “feliz de fichar por el Barça. Yo no soy exactamente su representante. Soy como un padre para él. Si le digo que haga una cosa, la hará”.

Seluk reconoció el interés de otros equipos: “Me han preguntado por él el Inter, el Lyon, la Roma, el Everton, el Arsenal, todo el mundo le quiere”. Eso sí, su precio estaría en torno a “15 millones de euros”, dijo Seluk.
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Postby doctorlucifer » Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:00 pm

coussie wrote:i don't. although he hasn't played on that spot all the time, he has shown potential to do so.
De Rossi would give you the exact same problem. He too loves to go forward time by time.
There are just too few players who fit that profile (that you want) perfectly, who are ready to play for Barca, and who are still available.

You always can try to adapt players to you're system. Look at Ronalinho: Rijkaard pulled him to the left side, and killing he is. Look at Deco: a perfect AM for Porto, now an all-fielder (defensive as well as offensive). I'm not saying that will always work, but i think you close too many options by just telling that he doesn't 'perfectly' fit the profile.
I have faith in Rijkaard that he knows which guy he wants for the DM. If he thinks he can mold Touré in our perfect DM, then i believe him, and Tixki should get him.
If Rijkaard says no, then go look for somebody else.
I have faith in the football-'eye' Rijkaard has. A football-'eye' that is way more developed then mine at least, i'm sure.

Don't forget the Rikjaard you believe in so much did not want Etoo
to be signed and didn't want any new signings last year. against his
wish Zambo and thuram were signed.
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Postby Bardh » Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:12 pm

doctorlucifer wrote:
coussie wrote:i don't. although he hasn't played on that spot all the time, he has shown potential to do so.
De Rossi would give you the exact same problem. He too loves to go forward time by time.
There are just too few players who fit that profile (that you want) perfectly, who are ready to play for Barca, and who are still available.

You always can try to adapt players to you're system. Look at Ronalinho: Rijkaard pulled him to the left side, and killing he is. Look at Deco: a perfect AM for Porto, now an all-fielder (defensive as well as offensive). I'm not saying that will always work, but i think you close too many options by just telling that he doesn't 'perfectly' fit the profile.
I have faith in Rijkaard that he knows which guy he wants for the DM. If he thinks he can mold Touré in our perfect DM, then i believe him, and Tixki should get him.
If Rijkaard says no, then go look for somebody else.
I have faith in the football-'eye' Rijkaard has. A football-'eye' that is way more developed then mine at least, i'm sure.

Don't forget the Rikjaard you believe in so much did not want Etoo
to be signed and didn't want any new signings last year. against his
wish Zambo and thuram were signed.


I know about Eto'o being Laporta's wish, but that Rijkaard was against signing Zambo and Thuram comes as a surprise to me. Where did you get this information?
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Postby barca4ever3 » Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:18 pm

Everyone knows coach's in spain don't get the final say in transfers.
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Postby coussie » Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:23 pm

barca4ever3 wrote:Everyone knows coach's in spain don't get the final say in transfers.

Still i don't think Rijkaard was opposed to the sigining's. Zambrotta played a lot in the beginning off the season for an unwanted player.

I think you miss interpreted. Rijkaard could have said, i don't need any signing's. But suddenly there was a perfect opportunity for singing two good player's. Why not? It's not because he said in the beginning (not knowing such an opportunity could come) he didn't need that transfer, that he was opposed to it...

Trainer's still have a lot to say about transfers, even in Spain. They don't have a veto, but they their vote counts big time. The coach and the sport director make about 80% of the decision making unit about transfers...
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